Podcast Notes:

In this podcast, Body and Mind Life Coach Betsy Jensen talks shares wisdom she learned from Nicole Sachs, LCSW- both from her virtual retreat, and from her podcast, The Cure For Chronic Pain.

Nicole was a patient of Dr John Sarnos, and then went on to work with him. In this podcast Betsy will talk about what Nicole teaches- about TMS, JournalSpeak, and having patience and kindness for ourselves on our healing journeys!

“The pain is not all in your head, but the solution is not in your body.” -Nicole Sachs, LCSW